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Michael Fitzpatrick's avatar

Well, unlike the previous installment, this essay was dazzlingly clear! Punchy, direct, unambiguous. I know exactly where you stand and why! Really fantastic argument. Your agonistic conception of the Church is one of my favorite concepts, and one that sets its jaw against the Western tendency to "take my ball and go home" the moment conflict emerges in a parish (or worse, "take my ball and go start my own parish!"). Imagine if we were the Church today as a witness to the rest of the world that is is possible to agonize together towards a higher ideal of what human life could be like.

Still, I'm sure you're aware of the epistemic problem in all of this. The MAGA Christian is convinced that they're being faithful to the Gospel and that Christians like you and me are destroying the Church. You and I are convinced of the exact opposite. Someone is mistaken (maybe all of us), yet subjectively our respective confidences in our convictions is comparable. This is what makes Bonhoeffer's work so compelling: his unwillingness in the Ethics and in his letters elide the epistemic ambiguity. If we refuse the possibility that we could be wrong, we ipso facto license the MAGA Christian to refuse the possibility that they could be wrong. If we accept that we could be wrong ... then we could be wrong, and we're cutting off all hope of correction by digging in our heels and insisting that only those who disagree with us are guilty of intellectual dishonesty.

Make no mistake, I'm in your camp brother, body and soul. I just feel the tension of what I am asking of the MAGA Christian -- that they do something I am not remotely prepared to do myself, admit that my convictions are rooted in a false Gospel and that I am complicit in manifest heresy and hellish evil. I don't have an answer to this; I just keep doing more theology and hoping that if I'm the one confused about God and this world that the frying pan to my head comes sooner rather than later, because that admission won't emerge voluntarily.

One last aside: Your essay showed up in my inbox at the exact same time as another Substack essay that strikes a similar tone about a different subject. This essay, written by a friend of mine, essentially makes a compelling case for the "hate the sin, not the sinner." I'll link the essay as a kind of experiment: give it a read and see if you feel an affinity between her project and yours. If so, that might mitigate some of your unease. If not, I'd be interested to hear where you see her project and yours diverging, as that might suggest your thesis is meaningfully distinct from the Evangelical truism.

https://amymantravadi.substack.com/p/being-hated-but-not-hating

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Lykeios's avatar

If everything is good then nothing is.

Yet another christian argument agreeing with me that “evil” and “good” do not exist.

Also, the “absence of good” would not be “evil” in this paradigm. It would merely be neutrality. There are always at least three options.

All three of them are made up concepts that make it easier for humans to categorize things and dismiss or destroy anything that doesn’t fit their personal moral definitions. A lot of my physical and spiritual ancestors died because they disagreed with what your spiritual ancestors said was “moral.”

The Gods, Demons, Angels. None of them are inherently “good” or “evil.” They all do what they think is right. Just as most of us do.

Nature has neither good nor evil. It just is. Nature doesn’t give a single flying you-know-what about your morality. Or mine.

You can be as good as you like and a bear will still maul you to death if you step between it and a child. Nature doesn’t care.

And by any definition an omnipotent omnipresent god would have to be Nature itself as that is the only “thing” that contains all other things within it.

What you’re describing here is “corruption.” And you might think that’s just another word for “evil,” but it is not. Corruption is merely pure destruction. It is neither good nor evil. It just exists to destroy. Whether that corruption has a right to exist like everything else or not is a matter of debate.

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